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5 applications rejected in a row..feeling useless.

Discussion in 'Career clinic' started by shellsb, Mar 22, 2016.

  1. shellsb

    shellsb New commenter

    I don't understand why my teaching application is rejected.Really feeling dejected. I think I should give up the hope of ever finding a teaching job!!.
     
  2. And100

    And100 New commenter

    So sorry to hear this. It is hard not to start to take these things personally. Have you read all of Theo's articles re job hunting on this site? Do you know anyone who can look at one of your application to see what you can do differently next time? Pecker up, keep trying you will get there in the end.
    Good luck :)
     
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  3. dumpty

    dumpty Lead commenter

    I am not in the UK so not sure if this still happens but back then visits to schools were often 'encouraged' as part of the application process.

    I did always wonder if not taking this 'encouragement' would be seen as a mark against you. Unlikely to get an honest answer but this can be worked both ways - if there are schools you want to work for, hand in your application in person.

    First impressions do count and even if it is only the cleaning staff saying they met you and you were nice...it helps!

    Otherwise yes, you need to look at how you write your CV. Loads of advice out there on this, mine would be always (always) include a paragraph about the school's vision and how you match that. Blanket applications (no soul) will always be binned. Address the school, let them see you read about them and care.....all looks good.

    Still no guarantees you will get shortlisted, though! You need to accept disappointment as part of the application process.

    On a lighter note, I was once turned down for a job as I was considered too 'out of the loop' due to many years overseas practice. I went supply and after 3 days at a school I was asked if I wanted the permanent position as their favoured applicant had let them down and 'you obviously know how to muck in and can do the job'. It was the very same school unwilling to hire me as I was, apparently, 'out of the loop'.

    They had no idea I was the same person they'd turned down just a week previously. After meeting the real me not the paper me they decided I was the bees knees.....

    So don't give up - it's all a bit of a game!
     
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  4. DYNAMO67

    DYNAMO67 Lead commenter

    Can you give us some more information on your position? Subject? Phase? Location? Experience? It is hard to suggest anything from what you post. Have you got someone to read through the applications? Are you sure you are not scoring any own goals anywhere?
     
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  5. TheoGriff

    TheoGriff Star commenter

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    As the others have said, it's a bit difficult to know exactly where you are going wrong. You might start off by reading the article

    How NOT to get shortlisted

    And see if there's anything there that rings a bell . . . ;)

    Applications advice: I have included here links that may not be relevant to you, for the benefit of other posters.

    2. Applying for a job in a school I suggest that you read these in this order

    NQTs start here! *** N.B. ***

    Do I have to tell my Head I am applying elsewhere?

    Pre-application visits to schools

    Why you should always include an E.S. in an application

    How to get shortlisted for a teaching job *** The basic advice***

    How NOT to get shortlisted

    How do schools shortlist candidates?

    Common errors found in applications

    The Truth, the Whole Truth, and Nothing but the Truth!

    Who should be my referees?

    Can I see my references?

    Can your Head write a negative reference for you? Or refuse to write one? Can you see what was written...

    Can I ask a school not to contact my referees just yet? ***NEW ***

    Step-by-step: How to write an E.S. *** More basic advice ***

    Executive summaries - where to start when no person specification

    Person Spec too long - how do I do an E.S.? And where do I put it? *** Beginners start here ***

    Blank E.S. Pro-forma for job applications***NEW ***

    Letter of application for a teaching job ***NEW ***

    Sharing letters of application, supporting statements and executive summaries ***NEW ***

    Application form: how to present long list of posts outside education

    How can I provide details of examination results?

    Can I omit, on an application, a period spent teaching abroad?

    No CPD to put on the application form!

    5 common errors in applications

    Best wishes

    .
     
  6. shellsb

    shellsb New commenter

    Thanks everyone for your kind words.Trust me it's very disheartening to see you being rejected every now and then.I am a postgraduate in business administration (MBA) .Did secondary level teaching(Business studies and economics) in London for 2.5 years but had to take a break due to family circumstances which always would be a priority. Now I really want to get back to work so looking for schools to recruit me as I want to work towards QTS but I guess no one thinks any good about my skill set and qualifications.
     
  7. Middlemarch

    Middlemarch Star commenter

    You said
    But
    Surely you already have QTS to have been qualified to teach for those 2.5 years?

    NB How long have you been out of teaching?
     
  8. ChilePhilly

    ChilePhilly New commenter

    I'm right there with you. I'm an experienced teacher on UPS3 - I've had 5 applications rejected as well. (I say that - no replies from anywhere!!) I'm currently teaching full time. I've read Theo's advice and fight on. There is a national teacher shortage - someone will want us....
     
  9. shellsb

    shellsb New commenter

    Haven't been in school teaching from 4 years but do tutoring at home for business studies and economics.
    Do you guys think I should look for volunteering options or some teaching assistant roles just to get an entry back in the field.
    Many thanks.
     
  10. mclarewoods

    mclarewoods New commenter

     
  11. mclarewoods

    mclarewoods New commenter

    try supply - rubbish pay but great experience!
     
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  12. TheoGriff

    TheoGriff Star commenter

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    There are articles on loads of different aspects of life as a teacher. Above are the application articles. Here are some on job hunting:

    I have included here links that may not be relevant to you, for the benefit of other posters.

    1. Looking for a job in a school I suggest that you read these in this order

    Get the TES Jobs App

    How to set up a Job Alert

    Get ready for the application season! * * * Must Read * * *

    When to apply for Senior Leadership Posts***NEW ***

    Why you shouldn't look at non-specialist sites for job application advice [​IMG]

    Writing speculative letters and sending CVs to schools, just in case . . .

    Jobseeking for the older candidate

    Are Academies right for me?

    Being on supply for ever!

    No job for induction . . .

    I got QTS ages ago, but have never done my induction year. Can I still apply for jobs as a NQT?

    The jobs have all dried up! Will there be more jobs for next term?

    Why don't schools write back when you apply, or ring after an interview?

    Potential problems with Facebook ***NEW ***

    It is no longer normal to have a CV for teaching applications, as Statutory Guidance from the DfE says that schools should not ask for these.

    Don't forget that as there is now no pay portability, you should be showing clearly in any application what there is about appointing you that would justify the extra money that they might - or might not! - want to pay.

    Yes, a good way of getting back into the swing of things.

    Best wishes

    .
     
  13. install

    install Star commenter

    If you continue to have no luck -try some Supply work and build up a reputation that way. But be prepared to do other subjects if you need to....
     
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  14. ValentinoRossi

    ValentinoRossi Star commenter

    Five applications? That really is not very many!

    Disheartening it may be to have applications rejected, but I know lots of teachers who have submitted more than five before hitting on the 'right' (i.e. successful) formula.

    Do read Theo's advice and keep going.
     
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  15. hhhh

    hhhh Lead commenter

    Think of J.K. Rowling. And remember, when schools were good (definition-the majority of teachers liked their jobs, there was mutual respect between parents, teachers, SLT and children), we didn't have all these application forms with their summaries and what-nots. Know of lots of good teachers who got jobs by writing a basic letter!
     
  16. Lacerta

    Lacerta New commenter

    Hello, I've been teaching full time for 13 years. For the last three years I have been undertaking long term supply work since we transferred from the North of Scotland to the Central Belt. I have applied, unsuccesfully, for around 50 jobs since arriving. I am currently undertaking Masters Credits in Professional Learning and Enquiry at Glasgow University and, whilst supply teaching I have ran debating societies in two schools, investing a lot of my own time. I have come to the conclusion that my teaching career is over. I will be grubbing around for supply work next term whilst planning and saving to start my own business.
     
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  17. TheoGriff

    TheoGriff Star commenter

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    And HERE is a post from another older candidate who has just proven what i say above about showing why you are worth the extra. . .

    Best wishes

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  18. ValentinoRossi

    ValentinoRossi Star commenter

    And I'm also "another older candidate" who focused on what I could do for the school, rather than what the school could do for me. Producing an ES is the perfect way to highlight this.

    Once you get to interview, one thing that the 'older' teacher definitely has to her/his advantage is how experienced we are in the classroom. NQTs certainly don't have that!
     
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  19. dominant_tonic

    dominant_tonic Established commenter

    I'd concur with the supply route as well. Excellent experience.

    I inadvertently found out one flaw in my personal statement from supply. I was coming to the end of a long term illness cover, and doing a phased return with the HoD for whom I had been covering. On chatting about jobs and applications, we were talking about the recent vacancy in her dept for which I had applied but failed to be shortlisted. I did not say that I had applied, and she then went on to say 'I don't want someone that can...', there followed an almost direct quote from my supporting statement. She did quite the rant about it, and the job was a few months previous. It had obviously really annoyed her, even though it was an example demonstrating one of the essential skills. I was internally mortified, but learnt more than I expected to that day! :)
     
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  20. Middlemarch

    Middlemarch Star commenter

    I'm intrigued now about what it was. Was it someone that can:

    * turn their head through 360 degrees, hereby seeing what all children in a class are doing?

    * write with both hands and thus able to mark two books or write two reports at once?
     

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