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40-60+ and ELGs - help!!

Discussion in 'Early Years' started by littlebeth, Feb 26, 2013.

  1. littlebeth

    littlebeth New commenter

    I have just been on a moderation course today where we were told that if a child is secure in 40-60 months then they have reached the expected level of ELG. At our school we have been assessing children at 30-50, then 40- 60 and thought that if they were secure at 40-60 they would then start working on the ELGs. Apparently this is not the case which means all our recent data will be wrong!
    Could somebody please clarify this as I am going slightly crazy! I think every one on the course was doing the same as me and most people finished up by being very confused. As we are also in special measures I really need to get this right.
    Thanks
     
  2. littlebeth

    littlebeth New commenter

    I have just been on a moderation course today where we were told that if a child is secure in 40-60 months then they have reached the expected level of ELG. At our school we have been assessing children at 30-50, then 40- 60 and thought that if they were secure at 40-60 they would then start working on the ELGs. Apparently this is not the case which means all our recent data will be wrong!
    Could somebody please clarify this as I am going slightly crazy! I think every one on the course was doing the same as me and most people finished up by being very confused. As we are also in special measures I really need to get this right.
    Thanks
     
  3. I had my training the other day and we were specifically told that the ELGs are like a 'holistic' view of how the child is at the end of the year. The developmental matters statements are like the building blocks towards the ELG's. We should not judge the children by breaking up the ELGS into individual statements but we should read the ELGS as a whole and take a best fit approach. We shouldn't even be assessing on the ELGS until the end of the year.
     
  4. littlebeth

    littlebeth New commenter

    My problem is that we are using the e profile to assess where children are each half term. We have been using development matters and best fit approach. This half term several of my children were secure in 40-60 so I thought that they would then start working on ELGs and would be assessed entering, developing or secure as we have been doing for 30-50 and 40-60.
    But it appears that if we say they are secure in 40-60 that also includes all the ELGs which none of my children are at yet. It also means that those I thought were developing in 40-60 may not be as I haven't included ELG statements when looking at best fit.
    If this is correct then my last 2 sets of assessments are completely wrong!
     
  5. dbu

    dbu New commenter

    we were told that we should at present only be using which DM age band they are in best fit.
    The language of emerging expected and exceeding only apply to the ELG assessment at the end of the year and should not be used against age bands, so technically children can not be emerging 40-60mths. they are either 30-50 or 40-60mths.
    typically they may be 30-50 on entry best fit now 40-60 best fit then at end of year expected ELG's
    we were a bit miffed by the fact that there is no measure of how far below or above ELG a child maybe, as everyone who was not expected ELG would be classed as emerging, even if they are only still in 30-50mths!! and at the other end you may have a child who would register 1c / 1b's on entry to Y1 but only stated as exceeding.
    i can't see how this informs Y1 staff (the whole point of doing ELG assessments) or aides their transition into y1.
     
  6. How can that be? if you look at the ELG for Number, the child needs to "count reliably with numbers from 1 to 20, place them in order and say which number is one more or one less than a given number" but only secure with the number system to 10!
    Am waiting for my course next week!
     
  7. Each LEA seems to have a different idea - mine (Lancs) have a tracker for the age related bands, and I have to input an on-entry, Autumn, Spring and Summer assessment of 'Entering, Developing or Confident' for each child in the age band which is the best fit. This seems to be the opposite of you have been told!
    I would like some to tell me how to organise the evidence collected over the year - when we get moderated at some point, I wonder what they will be looking for? We've been told not to do any extra so would professional judgement do?
     
  8. littlebeth

    littlebeth New commenter

    We also have tracker and have to imput data every half term for the age rrelated bands with assessment of just entering, developing or secure. That has workes fine until now when we were told that if they were secure in 40-60 it means that they have completed the ELG. As you pointed out the ELG in number is very different from the 40-60 band. Therefore if they are a best fit at 40-60 they probably will not have completed ELG. We thought that once they were secure in 40-60 they would then move on to ELGs
    I am now more confused than at beginning of the year and it seems that people are being told very different things. Maybe there is someone who can explain it all in an early years friendly way!

     
  9. T34

    T34 Lead commenter

    Don't they have to be somewhat more than "secure" in 40-60 to meet the ELG.
    What does "secure" mean, anyway?
     
  10. Honey Loop

    Honey Loop New commenter

    I had a moderation thing today.
    we were told that ny child not achieving the Expected was considered to be Emerging, irrespective of whether they were working at 0-11/ 8-20 /30-50 /40-60 months.
    We were also informed that the different statements were graded - Emerging = 1, Expected = 2, Exceeding = 3. The scores will be averaged and weighed against the national average
    Also, the Exceeding was NOT to be used by yr1 teachers as evdence of working at 1c; it was merely exceeding the 'norm' for early years.

     
  11. GemsEYFS

    GemsEYFS New commenter

    They do not need to be more than secure, as the ELG are part of the 40-60 months within DM. And secure meaning, yes they can confidently meet mosst of the statements.
    again, remember that it is only a best fit. They do not need to have every single statement to be awarded as expected ELG, you use your proffesional judgement- Moderation in house/ accross school ect is VITAL!
     
  12. T34

    T34 Lead commenter

    So the next step after "emerging 40-60" is "meeting ELG"?
    In other words, you don't need "Secure 40-60" - it is superfluous.
     
  13. Hi
    I had LEA moderation training Monday and we were advised that you could not break the ELG up and say 80% (as an example) was achieved nor could you say which sections were more weighhty it was a judgement from the teacher. When asked what the moderation process would expect to see or how they would be looking at it we were told "MODERATE" and every time we asked a question they said only throgh moderation with partner schools could we know what achieved etc would look like!
    The electronic tracking system we use (LEA back it) is a tick list grrr and we have to say that chn who are below (working towards 30 - 50) ar emerging! The LEA talked about pilot scheme and errors not corrected for profile (not in right order) anyone else feeling as though they are unsure (and LEA) dont't know what's going on!
    Good results in Prime areas plus Literacy and Maths but they will moderate the whole lot!
    Am in a tizzy as moderating with other settings is so hard to organise and time is tight!
    Hope that others get clearer picture!
    [​IMG]
     
  14. GemsEYFS

    GemsEYFS New commenter

    This is how I assess...
    working within, focussing, secure ( Accross the DM bands upto 30-50 months)
    After they are secure in 30-50, they will be working within 40-60, then focussing in 40-60 and then the next step is expected ELG. ( so, no secure 40-60)
    In terms of emerging,expecting, exceeding. Chidlren will ALL be emerging ( whether they are working at 16-26 months or focussing 40-50) untill they are at the expected stage against the ELG, then you look at exceeding statement and NC level 1.
     
  15. Honey Loop

    Honey Loop New commenter

    The first part of your statement is what we were told, too. However, the second part differs from the info we were given.
    We were told that exceeding ELG does NOT mean working at NC level 1. It simply means working at a level which is exceeding the expectations for Early Years. Year 1 teachers should NOT expect any child exceeding ELG to be working at 1c or above.
    Just goes to show that the LA 'experts' are getting mixed messages and passing on conflicting information. How can they possibly expect parity across the country if everyone is likely to take contradictory advice as gospel?

     
  16. It all sounds like we're being told different things. Funny that.
    My understanding (as we will be moderated in May and had a meeting on monday) is that we are tracking for ourselves/ because school needs us to using SIMs and a 30-50 40-60 emerging developing and secure given to us by our LA. The Early learning goal as I understood it is seperate and to use at the end of the year only. Which seems to differ on here. Making predictions has been a sticky subject!
    We have also been told 'best fit' judgement on Emerging, Expected and Exceeding and that actually these will be very wide bands with extremes of children within them. Also said 1 2 3 and divided by 17 as a previous post did. The bit I found useful was the extra guidence on Exceeding in the handbook on page 53. one of the physical ones talked about being able to hop and skip. :-s
    What was a bit scary is that the Expected level was likened to getting point 8 on the previous profile and as 6 was deemed a good level of learning before I think that exceeding in some areas is aiming rather high for some of our children. I think the only good thing is is that everyone is likely to get it wrong because it's so confusing.
     
  17. GemsEYFS

    GemsEYFS New commenter

    I agree, year 1 teachers should not ussume they are working at level 1, but actually when you look at the Exceeding statement and the NClevel 1 objectives from APP, there is actually a lot of overlap, especially, in maths reading and writing. ( The majority of the level 1 maths is covered in number) SO although they are not level 1, they are exceeding and in some instances acheived already some of level 1 criteria and this is what is essential for Y1 teachers. When chidlern have achived the emerging statement, then you obviously need to look at NC which will meen that chidlren ARE level 1.
    So, at the moment I have 5 chidlren who have acheived the expected ELG goal, so in my planning now i plan in opportunities looking at the exceeding statement and APP. This gives them a widening range of opportunity to succeed.We have moderation meeting with Year 1/2 teachers so they look at the tsndards of work and then compare them to their level1/2 chidlren. This ensures there is consistensy in our findings and that Y1 teachers are already well aware of their ability.
     
  18. I am in exactly the same position! Assessed a bunch of children as secure 40-60 at christmas (NOT including the ELF point as part of 40-60), and emerging in ELG in february. The training we went on this week said that ELG points are PART of 40-60 so child cannot be secure in 40-60 until they have met ELG points. So back on SIMS I go....

    They did stress that ELG were for summative not ongoing assessment, BUT that schools might want to track for themselves when chn are working at ELG level so that they can provide appropriate teaching. They gave us a really useful document that put onto one page for each area of learning what comes after 'expected', taking quotes from the Tickell report, from the profile handbook and from NC level 1. I'd offer to share once we get the email but its all a bit copyrighted I think!
     
  19. I've just read through this entire thread and now feel extremely worried! I have assessed my children through 30-50 and 40-60+ as emerging, developing and secure and those that I had secure at 40-60 I have as emerging in ELG! But it looks as though this is wrong! I dug out the pack that our LA gave us at the start of the year, and in it was an example of what assessment might look like for an individual child throughout the year - and it did use 'emerging ELG' as an example before the end of year final judgement. However, I've now been on their website and this pack has been removed as it is being 'reviewed'. So I guess I'm going to have to go back over my assessments and change each one as I shouldn't be looking at ELGs yet, and so everything is wrong.
    I have a moderation meeting this week, I really hope some light is shed on this, it's so unclear.
     
  20. T34

    T34 Lead commenter

    What's "Emerging ELG"?
    As I understand it, they're all "emerging ELG" from the day they're born.
    At the end of reception they are "Not attained ELG", "Attained ELG" or "Exceeded ELG".
     

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