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3rd May

Discussion in 'Scotland - education news' started by jonowen, Apr 24, 2012.

  1. jonowen

    jonowen Occasional commenter

    Anyone else sick of the Party Political Broadcasts after Scottish news? Who do you think will do the best for education - can we discuss this please as I refuse not to vote, but am quite bamboozled by all parties?
  2. socrates82

    socrates82 Occasional commenter

    I've liked the way Hugh Henry has spoken Jon. He has been very supportive of supply teachers in respect of last year's draconian wage cut.I'd rather have him in charge than MR.
  3. Absolutely. The more fools us, to keep voting for parties who clearly devalue or ignore our interests. Always a good idea to vote against any party with a big majority, just to remind them who put them where they are and who's da boss.
  4. halfajack

    halfajack Occasional commenter

    :) Please avoid the Scottish Christian Party and any other bigots though. I recommend 1 - Green, 2 - SSP and 3 - any independent candidate as long as they're decent!
  5. Effinbankers

    Effinbankers Established commenter

    I came across the tory PPB the other day (I couldn't find the remote). They are taking the credit for the improvements in educational attainment in South Ayrshire.
    Pompous gits, all they have presided over is a savage cut on staffing, increased class sizes and increased interference in curriculum design by our LA.
    We don't want their free school or academy ideas up here.

  6. vforvendetta

    vforvendetta New commenter

    Education in this country has been ruined by decades of 'socialists'. Give me free schools anyday. Greens are away with the fairies, out of touch with reality. Private schools have surged ahead, and will benefit further under cfe. Too many failed experiments wreaking havoc. Back to traditional schools and values.
  7. jonowen

    jonowen Occasional commenter

    Well said! Just had a major senior moment - even asked Mr.Jo what party was the PPB (tory one effinbankers was on about) now a realise it's Party political broadcast - what a total numpty I am! [​IMG]
  8. morrisseyritual

    morrisseyritual Occasional commenter

    The SNP need a bloodied nose. They are a party of little substance and outside of their free prescription legislation - which was eyebrow raising but welcome - their inexperience at the mechanisms of actually running a country shine through. Mike Russell is an aphorism spouting dolt who, if he actually did some reading on matters he is meant to be knowledgable about, might have me take him seriously. Salmond has been badly damaged this week by reports of his all-surface-no-substance dealings with bodies like Trump and NewsCorps he was trying to schmooze. He remains an overgrown sixth form debater and his act has worn well thin.
  9. jonowen

    jonowen Occasional commenter

    well, we now have to put up with the cheapest drug brands on the market and all manner of cost-cutting (e.g. prescribed a replacment brand with different name and different appearance, but was assured they were same - turns out to be 2 different drugs albeit for the same stomach complaint) I can afford more than the cheapest brand but am denied access to it. Sorry to harp on.
    I do love your description of MR morris! [​IMG]
  10. "their inexperience at the mechanisms of actually running a country shine through"
    So much so that 3 major polling companies (YouGov, Populus and Angus Reid) give the SNP an average 17% lead over their nearest rivals. So it would seem that many in Scotland disagree with you and are happy with what the SNP are achieving. I am well aware that opinion polls do not necessarily result in votes. However, it is unlikely that 3 separate companies using different polling methods would result in errors skewed in the same direction.
    Who do you think would be capable of doing a better job than the SNP?
  11. Effinbankers

    Effinbankers Established commenter

    SNP will romp home, not because they're doing a good job, but because they have no competition whatsoever (I personally think they've not done too bad a job apart from education)
    Johann Lamont - is she Anne Ballinger in disguise? Both totally useless in front of a camera
    Willie Who?
    And the Tory one who hasn't been an MSP for 5 minutes

    Sad for democracy in Scotland
  12. socrates82

    socrates82 Occasional commenter

    All fair points. The EIS leadership have a lot to answer for too!The SNP's backtrack on class sizes was really disappointing though.
  13. jonowen

    jonowen Occasional commenter

    I hear what you're saying and have to agree with you but don't you think life iin general is very
    today in most of life? The way things were 10 years and more ago (folk living way beyond their means, borrowing far too much etc...etc...) there was bound to be a crash of some sort and it has to be dealt with for the sake of the future generation(s). We were living in easy street and the younger generation were mainly privilidged kids, wanting for nothing. We (teachers) have taken in effect a 25% wage cut, what with the increased pension contributions and the pay freeze - any other profession put up with that? Thing is most (nearly most!) of the teachers I know have the interests of their pupils as their priority and if they do well in exams that's a badge of pride we can wear (without bragging about it) and feel job satisfaction.
    I think what I'm trying to say is that so long as each teacher does their teaching well, reaches wee Jenni who struggles and stretches wee Jimmi who is gifted what more can we do? CfE can produce a million glossy green gold-encrusted folders but teaching well will always be our pride and joy.
    (I think I know what I'm getting at - bit philisophical for a Tuesday morning - too much "Silent Witness" last night!!)
    Hope everyone has a nice day
  14. Yeah, that pretty much did it for my support for them. I really thought the SNP would be different. Sheesh. The more fool me.
  15. amysdad

    amysdad Occasional commenter

    Maybe disappointing, but not surprising. The reason that none of the other parties supported it wholeheartedly wasn't because they didn't agree with it, but that they realised that the costs would be far too high to go too quickly, even in 2007 - the SNP genuinely didn't realise that in many, if not most, schools an increase in the number of teachers and classes would need an increase in the number of classrooms and the ensuing building costs.

    An example, perhaps, of a policy whose heart was in the right place but introducing it was stopped by spotting the unintended consequences.
  16. kibosh

    kibosh Star commenter

    I have my doubts. I see their promise to lower class sizes as a well calculated ploy to gain votes . . . . .a promise they never had any real intention of following through on.
    As to voting tomorrow; there is no party I wish to vote for. A 'none of the above' option on the ballot paper is perhaps required . . . . though apparently a spoiled ballot paper is still recognised as 'turnout'.

  17. halfajack

    halfajack Occasional commenter

    Exactly, much like the promise to write off student debts which helped get them into minority government in 2007. We don't need policies which demonstrate their heart is in the right place. They are meaningless if they haven't first done the sums to make sure it'll work. Free prescriptions for all and council tax freeze sound great to many voters but we public sector workers know how they're partly affording it!
  18. Will vote Green and SNP. Have never voted Labour since I was wee and my local Labour councillor in a mining village was an Orange Order bigot. More recently, I've read yon deposed ex-education minister in the Scotsman - name escapes at the mo (and what does that tell you about dynamic radical Labour?) - who recently said that teachers were partly to blame for the 'failure' of McCrone as they 'took the money without delivering'.
    Also noticed Labour uniting with the Tories in Stirling to deliver tax cuts. Like that will save jobs and services...


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