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2050 Reality check.

Discussion in 'Personal' started by lexus300, Feb 28, 2020.

  1. lexus300

    lexus300 Star commenter

    "The UK today became the first major economy in the world to pass laws to end its contribution to global warming by 2050.
    The target will require the UK to bring all greenhouse gas emissions to net zero by 2050, compared with the previous target of at least 80% reduction from 1990 levels."

    At what cost?

    UK becomes first major economy to pass net zero emissions law - GOV.UK

    When the fairy tale meets reality:

    "Base load power sources are the plants that operate continuously to meet the minimum level of power demand 24/7. Base load plants are usually large-scale and are key components of an efficient electric grid. Base load plants produce power at a constant rate and are not designed to respond to peak demands or emergencies. The base load power generation can rely on both renewable or non-renewable resources. This last sentence has no basis in fact.

    Non-renewable resources (fossil fuels) include: coal, nuclear fuels.
    Renewable resources include: hydropower, geothermal heat, biomass, biogas, and also a solar thermal resource with associated energy storage."

    9.1. Base Load Energy Sustainability | EME 807: Technologies for Sustainability Systems

    No one is talking of actual or even estimated costs; real base load requirements and maintenance to guarantee; societal trauma's induced by such changes; efficient functioning of national security, industry, transport and services.
     
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  2. BillyBobJoe

    BillyBobJoe Established commenter

    Why do you think that listed renewable technologies can't form part of baseload power? And do you seriously think the next 30 years will see no development in energy storage (batteries, flywheels, molten salts...) that will allow intermittent sources to provide baseload power?
     
  3. Owennnn

    Owennnn Occasional commenter

    Here we go again.
     
  4. lexus300

    lexus300 Star commenter

    Because when the wind does not blow or the sun shine we get zero electricity from them. How on earth do you think batteries can service a national grid?
     
  5. lexus300

    lexus300 Star commenter

    There you go again. Denier.
     
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  6. burajda

    burajda Star commenter

    I'm sure well get by. We've got great engineers and we're a nation of innovators. There's technology coming on stream all over the world and a greener sustainable future is achievable. New industries will replace the old. We'll just have to learn to do things differently and reorder and reprioritise to deal with the climate, enviromental and weather challenges. Britain cam lead the rest of the world on this and profit from it.
     
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  7. Kandahar

    Kandahar Lead commenter

    Whilst we can't predict the future trends / evolution of technology - it is very much true that no one is facing up to basic questions:

    • How are we going to heat our houses?
    • Run cars effectively (with loss of 'gas')?
    • Get our yearly (or in some cases monthly) holidays in the sun?
    • Keeping that 'global' economy moving will certainly be a challenge for compliant countries - as others continue growing on fossil fuels.
     
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  8. Jude Fawley

    Jude Fawley Star commenter

    Those speaking of "net zero" probably never worked in retail. The only way you con people into believing you're net zero is to unload gross carbon on others.

    We're gone anyway. It's all just a matter of time. And the sooner the better. You're grandchildren will be suffocating on your excrement.

    This species has amused itself to death.
     
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  9. burajda

    burajda Star commenter

    Thats todays batteries, tomorrow's will be better, in 20 years time maasively better.
     
  10. lexus300

    lexus300 Star commenter

    It will take a monumental leap to get even half way there.
     
  11. Kandahar

    Kandahar Lead commenter

    Cheaper too?

    I certainly considered a storage battery for my solar panels, but at £3,000 + just to buy it (before VAT)...and then a life of 10 years. Not a chance.
     
  12. Jude Fawley

    Jude Fawley Star commenter

    Solar panels! Soon we'll be down to the situation where we're asking ourselves "should I strike this match?"
     
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  13. lexus300

    lexus300 Star commenter

    We can and often do lead the world in design/innovation but the magnitude of the step required to solve the problems of intermittent energy supply for a national grid which is saddled with massively increasing demand is more than a step too far in the next 30 years. IMO.
     
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  14. lexus300

    lexus300 Star commenter

    Indeed.
    The problem with AGW fanatics is one of complete and utter practical and technological ignorance.
     
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  15. CheeseMongler

    CheeseMongler Lead commenter

    Batteries wouldn't be able to on their own, but what about pumped storage hydroelectricity and other energy storage systems?
     
  16. peakster

    peakster Star commenter

    Don't bother - he'll be dead soon anyway.
     
  17. lexus300

    lexus300 Star commenter

    All good but no substitute for coal, oil,gas and nuclear providing base load power to the grid.
     
  18. lexus300

    lexus300 Star commenter

    It is coming to you as well.
     
  19. lexus300

    lexus300 Star commenter

    Regarding wind and solar, this tells the story better than I can, skip the ads first:
     
  20. burajda

    burajda Star commenter

    Thats the problem with fanatics of both sides of any argument. What about serious scientific research?
     

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