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£200 a day for long term supply - realistic?

Discussion in 'Supply teaching' started by FrabjousDay, Jan 23, 2019.

  1. FrabjousDay

    FrabjousDay Occasional commenter

    I've been talking to a number of recuitment agencies, and mostly they've told me that someone with my experience could expect £130 for day to day supply work in London. When they talk about long term it's a bit more vague, with some saying I could get up to £200 a day.

    I spoke to another agency and they told me this was very unlikely, so I'm now confused!

    Can anyone clarify what someone on M6 could expect for long term supply in London?

    Thanks!
     
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  2. pepper5

    pepper5 Star commenter

    £130 for day to day supply in London sounds about right. For long term roles you will get more. It might depend on what you teach. For example, maths,science and computer science jobs may pay more. I would say it is unlikely that you would get £200 per day for long term in London, but may get close.

    London seems to be a bit varied - some people seem to get a lot of work there while others get little or none.
     
  3. lovejoy_antiques

    lovejoy_antiques Senior commenter

    It's market forces. It depends on your subject and how desperate the school is. I got £175 a while back for a long term post in the Midlands, so 200 a day in London could be possible. However when I was on 175 the school was regularly covertly ushering other teachers round in the hope of securing someone cheaper. Luckily for me they all turned out to be rubbish and I was their best option! It seems you can earn good money but only for as long as it takes the school to find a cheaper replacement!
     
  4. lovejoy_antiques

    lovejoy_antiques Senior commenter

    Ps: in other news plumbers earn ten grand a day!!!! Biggest mistake I ever made was doing well at school! Most of my peers who got a few less gcse's than me were ushered into the trades and seem to be doing very well!
     
  5. FrabjousDay

    FrabjousDay Occasional commenter

    Haha, funny that you mention that - I was seriously considering doing a plumbing course a few years back. Instead I clicked 'apply' on the PGCE application and have been regretting it ever since.

    Also - I forgot to mention that I'm a primary school teacher, which might make a difference?
     
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  6. les25paul

    les25paul Star commenter

    Where does a plumber earn £10,000 a day?

    On the International Space Station?
     
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  7. CarrieV

    CarrieV Lead commenter

    Primary is probably less. We pay the agency £200 for long term supply, not sure how much they would pass on!
     
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  8. FrabjousDay

    FrabjousDay Occasional commenter

    Interesting - I'm guessing if someone approached you directly they'd get a better rate?
     
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  9. JohnJCazorla

    JohnJCazorla Star commenter

    As other posters have indicated it's whatever the agency can get away with.

    I'm lucky in that I'm getting £195 a day for long-term maths/science in west Yorkshire. To make me jealous, Mrs Cazorla has just swung £202 a day for MFL, also long-term. Both these are paid through an umbrella company. A post on the Headteachers' forum (finders fees)indicates that primary schools are paying £270 direct to an agency for long-term.

    However @Jolly_Roger15 who seems very similar to me can't get any decent paid work in N. London and it sounds like the glut of ex-teachers there are also causing the price of tuition to fall to near £10 an hour compared to the £25 I can pick up without even trying.

    Incidentally M6 is hardly relevant, apart from the fact the agency will try to keep you down to £170 a day by using that as justification. They'll still charge the school £270 (or whatever) so haggling can still get a bigger slice of their cut.
     
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  10. greeneyes

    greeneyes Occasional commenter

    I’m asking my friend what she’s paying for supply as she works in FE. I’m sure she said she was being charged £200.
     
  11. FrabjousDay

    FrabjousDay Occasional commenter

    So who knows what the agency are passing on to the teacher. I'm sure it's a long way from £200!
     
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  12. HS65

    HS65 Occasional commenter

    I am a UPS3 teacher and have managed to get UPS3 from one longer term placement and M6 from another. The M6 one was quite difficult as the agency were insisting the school wouldn't pay any more than M4 but I stood my ground as it was AWR time …. until then I was on £150 a day.

    I've been told by other agencies that UPS3 is pretty much out of the question, even for long term placements.

    Going forward I think realistically M6 rate will be attainable most of the time.
     
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  13. Teslasmate

    Teslasmate Occasional commenter

    It's what you can negotiate. The agency will keep as much of what they are charging the school as they can. If you are science or maths you have a stronger position. Mostly though you just have to decide what you believe to be fair (if you can tolerate a little unemployment) or what is necessary (if you need work immediately) then flatly refuse to budge on the rate. Also be in multiple agencies and make sure they all know it. Also never, ever discuss what you are doing with one agency with another, or their rates. It's the wild west out there, give nothing away.
     
  14. Rchimpson

    Rchimpson New commenter

    I was doing supply in London last year, and I have to say that there were no hard or fast rules. You have to shop around, bargain hard and be prepared to drop an agency if they're playing [This comment/section has been removed for breaching our Community Guidelines/Terms and conditions]


    I was lucky as I fell in with a good agency at a good primary school in central London that was paying £130 per half day (I did 5 mornings per week) - they paid up to £240 per full day for long-term for those that did it. That said, we were definitely at the better end of what was available.
     
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  15. Jolly_Roger15

    Jolly_Roger15 Star commenter

    I agree with @JohnJCazorla: so much depends on whereabouts in the country you are, and how much competition, or lack of it, there is for your services. London has always had the 'Dick Whittington' effect of drawing in people who find it hard to find work elsewhere, thus further glutting the market. As i have said before, you can hardly throw a brick in London without hitting a would-be supply teacher, or private tutor.

    As @lovejoy_antiques says, it is all too easy to price yourself out of the local market. You might think that you have secured a good deal for yourself, which a school takes because it needs a specialist in front of a class at short notice, but its search for someone cheaper will continue. A few days, or weeks, into your assignment, you will be replaced. This can be annoying as, if the person who replaces you turns out not to be to the school's taste, or does not stay, you can find yourself being asked back, though not on such advantageous terms, of course.
     
  16. Jolly_Roger15

    Jolly_Roger15 Star commenter

    Another indicator of the local market is how keen is your agency to get you to do unpaid trial periods. In an area short of teachers in your subject, the agency might not try to push this too hard. If your agency takes you refusal to do unpaid work as a deal breaker, you have your answer.
     
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  17. Rchimpson

    Rchimpson New commenter

    The school I worked at last year kept us all at the full rate for the whole academic year. And some people had been on that rate for around 18 months or so.
    I remember you talking about this last year when I was looking for supply and was looking on this board. Maybe I was lucky, but even as an older teacher, I was never asked to work for free. But there again I was never worried about playing hardball with the agencies. There were a couple that I decided not to use after our initial interview - especially if they tried on that umbrella nonsense.
     
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  18. sebedina

    sebedina Occasional commenter

    I am in London and I am very experienced. My agency gives me a lot of work, so I don't switch even though I could get probably another £20-30 a day more.

    I get £130 for a day of general cover and I accept £150 for the teaching roles for a few weeks. I think If you are going to do a contract or similar, then £170 is more realistic. I know I can get more but at least I am familiar with the schools I go to and I have become accustomed to them.

    A science teacher told me he has negotiated £200 a day! But I am wary to switch in case the agency doesn't keep me busy.
     
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