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2 million children have done nothing... how much would they normally do?

Discussion in 'Education news' started by Corvuscorax, Jun 26, 2020.

  1. Corvuscorax

    Corvuscorax Star commenter

    Another comparison thread... how many children do we hve coming into schools during normal times that do absolutly no work, or almost none, in a normal week?
     
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  2. harsh-but-fair

    harsh-but-fair Star commenter

    This is a rhetorical question, right?
     
  3. Catgirl1964

    Catgirl1964 Occasional commenter

    2 million
     
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  4. Corvuscorax

    Corvuscorax Star commenter

    not entirely, I am just wondering how much of a difference there actually is. The claim is that 2 million children have done nothing becasue of school closures, There are probably dozens of childen in most schools that do nothing when schools are open, but it isn't a scandal when its out of sight.

    What do you do with teens who point blank refuse to cooperate, don't attend detentions and actively hope to be suspended? There most be tens ofthousads of them across the country, maybe hundreds of thousands.
     
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  5. Corvuscorax

    Corvuscorax Star commenter

    thats wht I mean - I do wonder if the number is actually much different to normal.

    (although i don't expect it is actually 2 million now, or in normal times)
     
  6. Caramel2308

    Caramel2308 Occasional commenter

    It's very rare for children to do no work in primary school in my experience. Some are capable of producing more work than others but as I said it is very rare for them to do nothing. In my current class, some needed a prod but they all worked whilst they were in school. Only a handful are completing all the work at home and about a third doing occasional work. A vast difference between in school and at home. I also expect them to correctly punctuate their writing and edit their work for spelling errors!
     
  7. ridleyrumpus

    ridleyrumpus Star commenter

    Whereas in secondary with some pupils it's like getting blood from a stone and whoa betide if you pull some up for it.
     
  8. Ellakits

    Ellakits Lead commenter

    Having worked in both primary and secondary schools I am amazed how many kids switch from reluctant workers to out and out work refusers.

    I’ve only come across one total work refuser in Primary, but in secondary it was at least one per class. Ok, as a supply teacher you generally get the less cooperative classes, but I don’t think primary teachers really know how bad the refusal to work becomes in secondary.
     
  9. ridleyrumpus

    ridleyrumpus Star commenter

    Or the not quite refusal but shouty teenager refusing to accept that writing the title and date isn't an hour's work.
     
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  10. hhhh

    hhhh Lead commenter

    The difference is that they aren't stopping other children from working now. So many people have told me how well their children are doing with no bullying or distractions in class, particularly children with disabilities. Many children say they are working 'less than 9-3.30' but getting a lot more done in that time.
     
  11. Ellakits

    Ellakits Lead commenter

    Sadly in many schools the less able children are put into classes with the disruptive work refusers.
     
  12. Waterfin

    Waterfin New commenter

    In class I have 1 work refuser that takes a lot of coaxing into belieiving the can do the task before trying it. And a couple of reluctant others, but the rest conform and do their work, usually with great results.

    Online, out of a class of 30, only 5 have submitted work consistently online. With maybe another 5 occasionally dipping in and out. 2 of the 10 are still working at a level that I would accept in class, the rest are turning in slapdash, hurried, really short pieces of work that I would totally not have accepted in class. Sometimes I return them with notes, but often it's pointless as I wouldn't then get it back.

    I'm looking forward to being able to work with the children in school again properly, even if it has to be on a rota basis (Wales).
     
  13. SparkMaths

    SparkMaths Occasional commenter

    This is a good point I hadn't thought of.

    I wonder how many work refusers have just been demotivated by constant testing and getting poor results? I had a school ask me to give bottom set Y7 a full GCSE Past Paper once to get the most rigorous data possible, not good for their confidence to get those results back even after carefully explaining that it was Y11 work.

    I've had some success turning the work refusing mindset around in small groups but it's difficult in a full class and will be nearly impossible online.
     
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  14. gainly

    gainly Star commenter

    I hope you don't expect that of posters on TES!
     
  15. Morninglover

    Morninglover Star commenter

    That is insane.
     
  16. SparkMaths

    SparkMaths Occasional commenter

    But if they do exactly the same GCSE exam once a year for 5 years, you have perfect data on their progress and students can see their percentage go up!

    I think we do a lot of things with good intentions which psychologically make some students hate school.
     
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  17. Sisyphus_rolls_again

    Sisyphus_rolls_again Established commenter

    Leaving aside the horrendous demotivation issues....
    It's not perfect data at all, it measures their performance in that paper. They won't be taking that paper at 16.

    A paper samples the specification, this paper will touch on some points and miss others, the mix will be different in the paper they sit in Y11.
     
  18. Corvuscorax

    Corvuscorax Star commenter

    We have to set GCSE questions across the board from day one at secondary as well. Its school policy. Its very silly, in my opinion. Although if you look on Mumsnet, its full of parents proudly boasting how far ahead their offspring must be, as they are being set GCSE questions already, at the age of 11.
     
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