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2 jobs in one school and I would like either? Also reference question...

Discussion in 'Jobseekers' started by Yoshicake, Sep 13, 2020.

  1. Yoshicake

    Yoshicake New commenter

    Hi

    I have seen 2 jobs in a school I would like to work in.

    1 is KS2 straight class teacher job and the other is year 1 teacher and leader as middle management.

    If I am honest part of me is much more comfortable being a straight class teacher as that is what I am used to but the other is a big step up and tempting as I am now top of TMS and I know year 1 inside and out as I've taught it for 5 years recently.

    How do I apply for both? Or should I focus?

    Also, I have been teaching for 8 years full time in different 3 different schools and started supply last week (luckily have been booked up already and working). Who do I put as a reference? My agency are my current employer legally but I would prefer to use my two references from my last schools. One is my last year and one is another schools assistant head.
     
  2. Yoshicake

    Yoshicake New commenter

    Can anyone help? Never seen 2 very different jobs in the same school I would like.

    Not sure how to practically apply for both of if should focus on one.

    Theo?
     
  3. cornflake

    cornflake Senior commenter

    Apply for the job you want.
    You do need to put current employer (agency) but nothing wrong with adding a third referee ...
     
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  4. TheoGriff

    TheoGriff Star commenter

    Hi there! If you want me to see this, you need to tag my full user name with an @ in front. That then turns my name blue and sends me an alert.

    @TheoGriff

    Having said that, @cornflake has exactly the advice i would give. I would add a short sentence at the end of your letter or personal statement on these lines;

    I have given X agency as one of my referees as they are my current employer. However, should you prefer a school-based referee, the following is happy to speak on my behalf: Mr T Griffiths etc etc.


    Agency references are rubbish, anyway, so they will be pleased at that. I say put it in the letter to explain, and also because the form probably hasn't got room for 3 refs. When you write the agency name on the form, write see letter for s further school-based referee.

    Now here's some general application advice I'm giving everyone today.

    Now for the general application advice. I'll start with some questions. They are really rhetorical, you know the answers, I don't need to be told them, you need to answer them to yourself and then act on them.

    Q1 How good is your application?

    Is it fulfilling its main aim: to show the school that you should be shortlisted and interviewed as the preferred candidate already, going into the interview with this big advantage?

    Q2 So how can you improve it?

    Q3 How good is your interview, is it fulfilling their expectation of you as the preferred candidate, allowing you to demonstrate why they need you, and making you the obvious choice?

    Q4 See Q2

    So, your applications may not be doing you justice, not showcasing effectively your strengths and skills, and what you have to offer a school. And then the interview (oh how we all hate interviews!) may not be helping you clinch that job either.

    Because above all, you need to show how what you have to offer fits EXACTLY with what the specific school is looking for, in your application and then in the interview. Each school is different, you can't have a One-Size-Fits-All application, you know.

    The easiest way to do this, of course, is to do a nice neat Executive Summary.

    Go to TES Resources, where I've put up a free template for an E.S. for you to download, to save you having to faff around with the formatting. There are some notes there for how to use it, but here it is even more briefly.

    In the LH column you put what the school is looking for, taken from their person specification. You'll have to prioritise, select the main things, condense it a little, of course.

    Then in the RH you put in neat note form exactly how you meet their requirements. Simple as that!

    So that would be your starting point for an effective application.

    You would use this E.S. also as the starting point for your Mind Map for interview preparation, of course.

    For further support if you feel that you need it, I suggest that you have a look on Amazon for a book to download straight away to the free Kindle app on your phone, tablet or laptop, that will give you more tips and help with application writing, the support to just push that application into the Must-Have category.

    Search on Amazon for books called "Applying for a teaching job" or similar, there will be quite a few books to consider. Choose one that is not American (you're not applying for a job in Los Angeles!), and have a look at the reviews to select one that seems to be helpful. Ditto for Interview for a teaching job.

    I bet also that like any well-brought-up Britisher, you are slightly uncomfortable about blowing your own trumpet. :) But in a subtle way, that's what you need to do! You need to define what are your USPs - your unique selling points, what's so special about you that you can "sell" to the school. And how and when to use them, especially in the interview, is quite important.

    Because it is a selling job, you know, both in the application and the interview. But I'm sure that you'll find a book that will help you with all that, E.S., USP and all the rest!

    I am not as pessimistic as some posters about there being no jobs advertised until the Spring. I think that, sadly, some teachers may find the new conditions in schools just too much, so may be resigning bt 31 October.

    So make sure that you've got TES Alerts set up for jobs, and look regularly at your LA jobs page.

    Very best of luck to you

    Twitter @Theo_Griff
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  5. TheoGriff

    TheoGriff Star commenter

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    Meant to say: if you mention experience in both areas, if they think that you're also a candidate for B although yiu applidd for A, they may contact you anyway.
     
  6. thejudgesscoresarein

    thejudgesscoresarein Established commenter

    I would just send an application for one role, the one you feel will be best suited to you. When/if you get to interview, mention that you are interested in both roles then and see what happens. They might question why you’ve worked in three schools over the course of 8 years, so be prepared to answer that question. In regards to references, your previous Headteacher’s and for your current employer, your contact at the agency (as that’s who you are employed by) unless you do regular cover to one school and the HT there is happy to provide a reference. When I’ve had supply teachers in the past, and they have asked for a reference (providing I know them) and they done cover multiple times, then I have provided one, but specifically stated that they are not employed by the school.
     
  7. Yoshicake

    Yoshicake New commenter

    Oh gosh...the 3 schools in 8 years will be an issue? That is worrying...is it what is stopping me get to interview this year?

    I don't really know how to answer that one as I did 4 years in my nqt school and moved to gain experience in another school . This school offered me temp and said it would probably be perm but after 2 years of 2 temp contracts hired someone else and the same thing happened after 2 years in my third school . Both schools have given me good references and I had no issues at either with PM so I have no idea what happened.

    I have no idea how to answer that one!
     

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