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15 full time permanent teachers to be made redundant at end of year at our school

Discussion in 'Workplace dilemmas' started by FredWelsh34, Dec 1, 2015.

  1. FredWelsh34

    FredWelsh34 New commenter

    At our school it was announced today that at the end of this year, 15 full time permanent staff are to be made redundant and there will be even more next year due to serious ongoing budget cuts.
    I am in a total state of shock, as everyone in our school is.
    The atmosphere has become horrible and no one knows the future of their jobs anymore.
    It is so depressing to think we all went into a job, spent money and time training and putting up with all the stress that goes with it, for something that has no security anymore. Teaching was once a recession proof job, now it is the career hit hardest by the current recession and is likely to suffer yet more.
    A thoroughly unpleasant situation. I despair about the future of education in this country.
  2. fantastischfish

    fantastischfish Established commenter

    Wow! I've never heard anything like that! What proportion of your staff does that represent?

    It's ironic that I've just been reading an article about how we are struggling to recruit teachers and that we should be offering 'Golden Handcuffs' to incentivise enrolment on training courses.

    The only 'bright' side is that you've been informed early. This allows anyone consider retirement to express their intentions, and possible voluntary redundancies to come forward.
  3. GLsghost

    GLsghost Star commenter

    This country isn't in a recession.

    This will be as a consequence of the negligent or incompetent management of the budget by senior staff and governors.

    I've worked for one of those. It's a miserable situation. My particular HT managed to do it twice in 3 years: the first time he blamed someone else and got away with it; the second time he got the push.

    All good wishes for the outcome. A worrying time for you.
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  4. Camokidmommy

    Camokidmommy Established commenter

    You must be a massive secondary school! Really feel for you as have been through the process of redundancy, even though it wasn't needed as we had a member of staff leave, but do remember how horrendous it was. You could begin to look at finding another job so you move rather than get redundancy. No consolation - my thoughts are with you. :(
  5. chelsea2

    chelsea2 Star commenter

    Hope this isn't your real name, Fred?
  6. hermitcrabbe

    hermitcrabbe Established commenter

    I feel for you. I do not know the cause of such matters - is it incompetence?

    Where I work we have lost half the full time staff over the last five years. Its now got to the point where there are barely enough of us to do duties ( indeed there are gaps in the duty list and people have to double up -ditto cover). We have all been put upon to do more extras. Yet, the Head is once again asking for a "skills audit" to decide who will be leaving this year......
  7. TheoGriff

    TheoGriff Star commenter


    I assume that the unions are on board with supporting you all in this ghastly situation?

    And you all need information to get your heads around this. I am uploading for you the ATL Redundancy guide so that you can understand what the options are and how the selection will be made. It is attached to the end of this post.

    You and your colleagues also need to start thinking about new jobs. Which can be from Easter or September, but you should note that unless you have a gap of 4 weeks and one day between the termination of your employment through redundancy, you are likely to lose your redundancy payment.

    So thinking about getting new jobs, you should come down to the Jobseekers Forum and ask their for advice on applications.

    For starters, here are some advice articles form the Professional Advice Hub to get you looking:

    1. Looking for a job in a school I suggest that you read these in this order

    Get the TES Jobs App

    How to set up a Job Alert

    Get ready for the application season! * * * Must Read * * *

    Why you shouldn't look at non-specialist sites for job application advice :)

    Writing speculative letters and sending CVs to schools, just in case . . .

    Jobseeking for the older candidate***NEW ***

    Are Academies right for me?

    Being on supply for ever!

    No job for induction . . .

    I got QTS ages ago, but have never done my induction year. Can I still apply for jobs as a NQT?

    The jobs have all dried up! Will there be more jobs for next term?

    Why don't schools write back when you apply, or ring after an interview?

    I am really sorry that you are all in this situation, but hope that I can give you all some useful advice, support and plain help.

    Best wishes


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  8. Jolly_Roger1

    Jolly_Roger1 Star commenter

    @FredWelsh34: I'm sorry to hear about your plight. As you say, the atmosphere in the school must be truly horrible. As others have said, it sounds more like incompetent (or devious) management. I wonder if the Head is trying to get rid of staff and then, under the guise of 'restructuring', employ cheaper teachers.
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  9. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    I'm not surprised... a local Academy cut 30 staff last year... their wages bill was hitting 90% of school budget.

    Although I doubt the SLT took much of a paycut.
  10. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    Following on from post 9... that is the rumour I heard for the Academy I referenced. No proof though.
  11. Om100

    Om100 New commenter

    I feel for you.

    In 2011, the same thing happened in my school.
    The Head teacher, in interviewing for an assistant head post, decided to appoint two of the candidates. In other words she created three assistants heads. In addition, she gave a pay rise to the deputy heads and herself
    As a consequence, the headteacher made 4 teaching staff redundant, due to significant 'budget cuts'. Hmmmmmm?
    Smoke and mirrors in the above situation I mentioned
    Anyone else agree?
  12. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    Sounds familiar...
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  13. Weald56

    Weald56 Established commenter

    Might be worth ensuring that all parents know what is happening, and the likely impact on their children's education.
  14. Om100

    Om100 New commenter

    difficult situation. I wish you and all your colleagues every success.
  15. midnight_angel

    midnight_angel Senior commenter

    What will probably happen (I hope) is that 15 staff will not made redundant at the end of this year. A lot of staff will look for look for, and accept, jobs elsewhere for September, and they just won't be replaced.

    I suggest you read all Theo's information above and start looking for a new job asap. Even if your own job is one of the 'safe' ones this year, do you want to risk remaining next year, with the possibilities of more redundancies looming? The good news is that you have plenty of time to sit down and think things through in a logical and practical manner, to then plan for the next academic year. Give yourself a bit of breathing space before you do this however - you've been through a huge shock - and likely a lot of stress - over the past few days; you have until September so there is no immediate rush.

    Good luck with everything, and please don't let this spoil your Christmas! Bad timing for the news itself, but still plenty of time to sort things through :)
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  16. Jolly_Roger1

    Jolly_Roger1 Star commenter

    As @midnight_angel said, perhaps the Head is using the threat of redundancies, or over-stating the number, to get people to 'move on' at no cost to the school, and then either not replace them, or recruit cheaper staff. Just to make the threat look real, the Head might initiate the redundancy process for a few teachers 'pour encourager les autres'. My last school did this for a couple of years in the run up to becoming an academy.
  17. applecrumblebumble

    applecrumblebumble Lead commenter

    In a local school to me (an academy) the HT was going to make about 30 teachers redundant after the SLT lost 1 million pounds in a scam. Unfortunately the HT did not put themselves at the top of that redundancy list, consequently they were sacked. The HT was being paid 100,000 - 110,000 and just before the person left the governors awarded the HT a pay rise of 140,000 - 150,000. The governors all resigned as a new academy took over the school. Shame on them and how corrupt are academies.
  18. NQT1986

    NQT1986 Occasional commenter

    My sister's school is making 15 teaching assistants redundant this year in the hope of saving money- some of them have been there 20-30 years do will presumably get a decent payout?!

    Luckily the SMT roles and salaries will remain untouched in these cost cutting moves...
  19. frustum

    frustum Star commenter

    30 years won't help them any more than 20 years, it seems.

    You’ll get:
    • half a week’s pay for each full year you were under 22
    • one week’s pay for each full year you were 22 or older, but under 41
    • one and half week’s pay for each full year you were 41 or older
    Length of service is capped at 20 years and weekly pay is capped at £475. The maximum amount of statutory redundancy pay is £14,250.

    Whatever else is happening to reduce the budget at the OP's school, at least they have given warning now. That should mean that those who have been considering leaving will know that they should be able to apply for new jobs with the school's blessing, as hopefully it will reduce the number of redundancies.
  20. Weald56

    Weald56 Established commenter

    The best strategy may be to start looking for other posts ASAP - even if that means leaving at Easter. Any problems that causes for the school will be their fault ( though that would mean giving up the - normally rather pitiful - redundancy pay, of course).

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