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10 ticks school learning system

Discussion in 'Mathematics' started by PaulDG, May 8, 2011.

  1. PaulDG

    PaulDG Occasional commenter

    I tend to agree.
    MyMaths does have some strenghts - some of the "lessons" have useful explanations and some of the widgets allow some useful experimentation without the complexities of Autograph or similar applications.
    And some of the homeworks are good.
    In my experience the bad things about it are when it's used as cover and when the kids treat it like a video game for homework and just bank in any old answer in 5 seconds flat, not caring at all about correctness or anything just so they can claim their homework has been done and they can avoid any sanctions - and you can't prove they've done no actual work as all you can see is the raw score (0/x) and not only none of their working out but you can't even be certain what actual questions they answered!
    With good kids though that, at least, doesn't happen. (There they get worried that the can't do the second part of the homework, despite being told that it's an extension, as Q2 is usually a heck of a step up in level from Q1).
    I was hoping the 10ticks system might at least offer some element of what I've always wanted with 10ticks which is the ability to tailor their sheets by some means other than literal cutting and pasting.
    Seems that was a waste of time!
  2. Paul, on the tenticks front were you thinking of something along the lines of 'Exampro' (AQA supply it on their Maths Live page) where you select topics and levels and it puts together a mixed worksheet for you?

    I'm surprised you can even cut and past 10ticks, on my school system the pdf files come up as being encrypted and the only way to mix and match is to print out and literally cut and paste!

    The last time I had a look at mymaths they had just signed up their 5000 subscriber. 5000 multiplied by £450 gives them a yearly income of over £2 million. I've no problem at all with this but I've long thought they should be doing at least something a bit more innovative than they are currently.
  3. PaulDG

    PaulDG Occasional commenter

    Well, I wasn't quite expecting that from their on line system but yes, I'd love something like that.

    Yes, I meant literally cut and paste! (There are electronic ways to do it but it boils down to the same thing - one way is to use the camera in Smart notebook.)
  4. PaulDG

    PaulDG Occasional commenter

    Oh, actually, I just re-read what you wrote there and yes, that's more or less exactly what I'd hoped to be able to do with their on line system.
  5. Yes Paul, I agree, that would be really useful. The ExamPro isn't perfect, but once it has outputted the document it's in Word format and you can easily edit it then. I think we paid for it when it came out but now it's free to AQA centres (as far as I know).

    The tenticks home thing looked like the old worksheets repackaged and delivered to print out at home.
  6. Anonymous

    Anonymous New commenter

    My only experience of tenticks is as a tutor. I see tenticks worksheets with lots of sums (about 50) glued into a book. As a former primary teacher, we got heavily criticised if all we gave a pupil was a list of sums especially as questions nowadays are about context.
    As for MyMaths - I quite like it but you are rather stuck with their lessons and their way of doing it. I would teach division in several ways but their way is 18 divided by 2 is 9 groups of 2 (and not also 2 groups of 9). It is useful but personally I would not rely on it as a sole provider of lessons. Still some of the games are quite good - darts is great!
  7. PaulDG

    PaulDG Occasional commenter

    I agree there's a lot of flak, some of it deserved, over the idea of "lists of sums", but there really is significant benefit from practicing things - quite how it is that it's accepted that the only way to become better at playing a sport is to practice the elements of it over and over again (with support - no point practicing to do it incor)rectly ) yet in maths there's a myth that if they "deeply learn" a topic that practice isn't necessary.
    Essentially, there's a need for all of discovery, relevance and practice and many of the current "tricks" (follow me cards, bingo, tarsia, etc.) are all about getting kids who aren't interested to actually do some practice. Well some kids are interested and actually reset the dressing up of maths as a game. They actually prefer churning through a worksheet to doing less actual maths and quite a lot of searching the pile of jigsaw cards for the answer they've already worked out.
    For them, worksheets are great. But we need to be able to differentiate them for the class and individuals in front of us. 10ticks is useful but that customisation step is a pain in the bottom.
    An exampro/10ticks hybird would be a great thing. (And if it could optionally output as a jigsaw so much the better!)
  8. Hybird? Is that some sort of Lark?
    Sorry [​IMG]
    Seriously, I don't know the MyMaths or TenTicks blokes but I imagine they wrote the stuff for teachers to use as they see fit ......
    ..... and to make money
  9. weggster

    weggster New commenter

    I think My Maths is a brilliant resource.
    I'd recommend it time and again, in fact I think I'm about to subscribe again for the 8th time very soon. A bargain for the money.
  10. ..or alternatively some may feel that mymaths is simply the only software in the market and is flawed on many levels.
    It has its uses but is far from great on many many fronts and is often used in the place of teaching that could be done far more effectively by a professional.
    Mymaths serves a purposes but certainly doesnt serve all purposes.
    I loathe it in the main yet appreciate it can help in some circumstances
  11. weggster

    weggster New commenter

    Nothing's perfect.
    There is still a huge shortage of quality maths teachers in the country and I would prefer that a weak teacher uses My Maths as a template for their lesson than deliver something dreadful to the students.

    It's like the old textbook argument. Some people vilify the use of textbooks becaus ethey don't need them or are concerned at the purely chalk and talk methods of teaching. Again, I'd rather a non-specialist uses a solid resource than try to deliver a rich lesson that they don't have the skills to deliver.
    My Maths can never serve all purposes, that is what a quality teacher does.
    I think the problem is people are looking for the magic pill that will cure everything be it online resources, rich activities, APP (lol), etc.
    Instead we need to make sure that we have quality teachers who know how to listen effectively, use excellent open questioning techniques, create fun (mathematically useful) activities, have a great rapport with the kids (but still be respected), check work regularly and reward/discipline as a result, make clear to the class how much they love maths, use a variety of resources (including textbooks, videos, activities, group work, paired work, games, mini-whiteboards, etc etc).
    Forget about folllowing initiative after initiative. Good teaching hasn't changed in 40 years. It's just been rebranded for the younger generation of teachers entering the profession.
    I've seen too many lessons over the years where staff have followed the "guide book" and can't understand why the lesson didn't work.

  12. Piranha

    Piranha Star commenter

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  13. Piranha

    Piranha Star commenter

  14. I cant help thinking thats a contradiction?
    RE weak teachers: There is not one part of the GCSE foundation course and the years leading up to this that a teacher who manages to pass the QTS skills test could not deliver IMO.
    The level of maths involved in a GCSE nowadays can be learned 'the night before' by any logical human in the education field. Nobody should have to follow a script that. They may (as strong teachers may) use it for graphical representation (for example) but to teach from it? no, sorry I dont believe anyone should.
    Mymaths serves 3 purposes in my book:
    (i) To display shape/space/graph lessons where you simply cannot replicate the material easier
    (ii) Research at home to be shared with parents
    (iii) Gives lazy teachers a reason to 'book the PC room for the kids' and do jack all.
    The first is positive, as is the second. The use of mymaths beyond this is very limited and to use it as homework IMO is far from ideal on every front.
  15. strawbs

    strawbs Established commenter

    I'm with you weggster, I like mymaths!! I am an experienced teacher; I use mymaths in my teaching maybe not every day, but certainly every week. Doesn't make me weak, lazy etc.
    Some bits of it I don't like - so I don't use them. A typical mymaths lesson has 7 or 8 "slides" - I may use 2 or 3 of them.
    My lower ability classes love the "match card" games - they love to come up to click the board; or to shout out the matches faster than I could click them. I couldn't easily/quickly/efficiently create for myself an activity to beat the simplicity that offers.
    What's the price - &pound;500ish a year? and over 1000 pupils benefit. Not bad value in my book compared to the cost of 1 teacher going on a course; or GCSE workbooks....just for 1 year group.
    There are bits of it that are great; there are bits of it that are bad. Just like life really!
  16. weggster

    weggster New commenter

    You must have written a very short book then Betamale!
    IMO the uses of My Maths are limited only by the imagination and teaching experience of the user (like any resource)
    Only my opinion of course, not that I know anything about teaching!

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